Board Thread:Questions and Answers/@comment-25951143-20150101110046/@comment-26871067-20160927172720

Rez spb wrote: COME ON. Stop it. If you want to argue with 2 points I've made, please stick to them.

What you are doing is called differently in different languages, closest translation is 'dark side of making argument' I guess. Currently you shift from a point towards personal experiences and emotions, which have no saying here at all. Stop all that emotion, start constructive discussion.

'Previous works' don't haver a say either... unless you are positive that a person, a being, cannot change. That actually contradicts evolution theory and free will theory, so I really hope that's not what you have meant whether you are creationist or evolutionist. What matters is authors actual say on this particular matter, all other speculation remains what it is: speculation. Your speculation of a transgender and mine speculation of a concept riping after initial chapters were published. When 2011 anime was already being released, Chimera arc was not yet completed. Of course, no Alluka even existed at that moment in time. The author had a tight schedule, he had to produce results complying with a tough deadlines, that is why I'm leaning towards concept change (1st point). How the author or the company will represent that mistake is something we can discuss (point 2). You are the one who turned the discussion towards emotion by implying my response is fueled by it. In fact, I was turning it away from emotion by pointing this out. I explicitly stated my intent to do this.

"U nless you are positive that a person, a being, cannot change" this is not what I was saying and I consider what you just did to be a stretch. Your tangent into evolutionary theory is irrelevant, it has no place here and doesn't even fit what you're saying. I will concede that free will theory has more place, but the theory of species evolution has nothing to do with personal growth and change. But here's my actual counter to your argument:

Previous works do have a say, in that they indicate Togashi's willingness to represent transgender characters in his narratives. Alluka being transgender fits in with Togashi's history as someone interested in representing LGBT+ characters in his manga. You could certainly say "well maybe he changed his mind", but there's no indication that this is the case and so you bringing it up is an obvious reach.

Here's the thing - I do agree with you on some points. I think Alluka was originally intended to be a male character, and that Togashi changed his mind on the matter. But I don't think his response was to just decide that Alluka had a vagina and retcon, because, again, scenes in the Election arc (so, running concurrently with Killua's affirmations that Alluka is a girl) have the Zoldyck family (yet again, minus Killua and Alluka) referring to Alluka as a boy. And, as previously stated multiple times in the thread, one of the themes of the arc was that the Zoldycks (minus Killua and Alluka) do not understand Alluka or Nanika, and that only Killua does. Hence, Killua refers to Alluka as a girl and his little sister. This is even agreed on so strongly that it is on Alluka's actual article, so you're not going to get anywhere on that.

Your argument that this is solely a meta thing (that Togashi changed his mind and decided to make Alluka a female character with a vagina) has counter-evidence in the story itself. The Zoldycks (minus Killua and Alluka), in the "real time" of the story, consider Alluka to be a boy and call her as such. Killua does not. This disconnect is held through the arc past Alluka's first physical appearance.

I genuinely don't know what you are trying to argue there given that there's explicit textual evidence saying that, past Alluka's physical introduction to the series as a female-presenting character, some characters believe her to be a boy.

The most intuitive and logical explanation for the inconsistencies in the Election arc that presented re: Alluka's gender in-universe, is that Alluka is a transgender girl and that only Killua (and later Gon, once he's introduced to her) is respectful of this. Other characters appear to "humor" her, but in ways that indicate they believe she is a boy as well. An example of this is Tsubone's use of a "cutesy" diminutive of a male-gendered honorific - she modifies "bocchan" into "bocchama", similar to the way Bisky suggests Gon and Killua use "chama" as an honorific for her. ("Bocchan" is typically translated as "young master", as it's a term most often used by servants to refer to the son of their employer, but the word more literally means "someone else's son".)

This is minor, but you are wrong in suggesting "no Alluka existed" at the point where the Chimera Ant arc was still running (and I don't see why you felt the need to mention the 2011 anime at all). The Zoldyck naming pattern and statement that there were five Zoldyck children, plus Alluka's conspicuous absence from the Zoldyck Family arc, had Japanese fans scrambling to figure out who this missing Alluka was and why they weren't in the story yet. Togashi certainly always had something planned for Alluka, though what it is may very well have changed over the time between the implication of her and her actual introduction to the series.