Board Thread:Questions and Answers/@comment-25951143-20150101110046/@comment-17259909-20151002024209

Viviburn wrote: Pigzillion wrote: I literally JUST said that it'd be great for Alluka to be transgender, for both the shonan community and transgender one, but just because something could be good and progressive, you can't just say it is and completely go against the writer's(who dictates the plot) words. It'd be great for the homosexual community if Killua were gay, but it doesn't mean he is. The "People who want Alluka to be male probably realize this, and probably pray Togashi will never acknowledge it again" part of your message is just you saying we don't want Alluka to be male, when we never said that at all, and you're just trying to make us look like unprogressive right-wings who hate transgender's. The only reason this is an issue in the first place is because of people wanting a fictional(as in not real) character to identify as those people want them to, even though an official source completely goes against it, yet we're marked as bigets and arseholes for trying to explain this. Wanna know why I'm "losing my shit"? Cause this topic has 105 goddamn comments! It shouldn't be this big a deal! You're trying to defend a FICTIONAL character's right to identify, when you're just speculating about it in the first place. "I'd just like to thank those who supported the trans Alluka ideal for being cohesive and consistent through this"? Have you not read what people have said, There are people who identify Alluka as female who have told us to go commit suicide and have been named transphobic. On several occasions. When we don't do what they want and leave them to whine and pout, they go and vandalize the wiki like angry children. That sound cohesive and consistent to you? Cause to me it sounds like cyber bullying. Hell, I doubt you've even bothered to read anything more than 5 comments ago. I *have* read all of the past comments, and some were right to call people out on being transphobic.

Pigzillion wrote:

A Lot of people throw the " killua called her a girl so Alluka must be a girl"  argument in there, but I'm pretty sure that's just Killua being nice. After all, Alluka clearly looks and acts like a girl and may very well be a female in nature and psyche, but that doesn't change the fact that biologically Alluka would still be male, That is the DEFINITION of transphobia, equating gender to sex. I didn't want to drag old comments into this, but if you're willing to pull out hurtful things someone on our side of the arguement said a few months ago, then I can call out your old stuff, too. The person who said 'kill yourself' was wrong, I'm not condoning their actions, and I know what it's like to be suicidal, but they haven't been in on this conversation for months. Hunterbowl was talking about how calm and rational recent comments have been, because I'm sure they know how quickly dialogues like this can degrade to personal attacks and petty insults.

Pigzillian wrote: Finally, no. As I have said before, fans are not entitled to step in and fill in the gaps. Fans may theorise and debate different possible outcomes, but if they could just "step in and fill in the gaps", any crappy fanfiction would be regarded as canon and part of the lore. And if this band What of the characters that came after the databook was released, then? Do we need 'official' confirmation to list Komugi as female or Shoot as male? No, because we're able to understand the actual text of the manga without it being spelled out. Third-person gender-specific pronouns don't exist in Japanese. 'He' and 'she' should all really be replaced by names or be completely absent if translated word-by-word. This doesn't stop translators from using other clues from the text and deciding to make a distinction. What we mainly work with is 1. personal pronouns (俺, 僕, 私, or あたし, typically), 2. gender-specific terms such as 'old man' and 'girlfriend', and 3. appearance/behavior. Do you see what I'm trying to say? It's not like we call Pairo a guy because "Pairo's the best! He's great!" is said, because that in Japanese does not distinguish what gender Pairo is. It's because he uses 僕, a masculine pronoun, and his appearance and mannerisms reflect it. We don't need a databook to conclude that Pairo is male.

I hope this makes sense.

Could you state an example where calling people transphobic was justified? Transphobia is defined as "intense dislike of or prejudice against transsexual or transgender people" (Oxford Dictionary). Did anyone state that they didn't want Alluka to be female because they had negative feelings towards transsexuality?