Board Thread:Questions and Answers/@comment-25951143-20150101110046/@comment-25814498-20151003183257

Viviburn wrote: - Darkchylde wrote: Viviburn wrote: Why is gender important, indeed? When someone ID's as a gender, it tells us about them. It tells us how the view themselves and how they need other people to view them. Why is this relevant in fiction? Because it all ties into real life. No one argues that Gon is male, because he uses masculine pronouns, presents as male, and refers to himself as a son. We actually haven't seen his sex displayed, because he's 12 and that's unthinkable/disgusting and it's information we don't need. We haven't even seen Kurapika so much as shirtless, even in side materials such as a picture of the gang at the beach, and while the 1999 anime made some creepy comments about his ambiguity, nearly everyone refers to him as male. Well, perhaps you haven't been paying attention in the manga. Togashi released a volume cover that shows Kurapika shirtless, because back then people often lost their shit arguing whether Kurapika is male or female. Voilà! Problem solved.

I doubt Togashi will release another volume cover that features Alluka.

Amane is clearly a girl - that's her gender. We don't know about her sex (she's most likely cis, but we have no hard evidence of that), and we don't have to, because knowing someone's gender is enough. This is exactly how arguments like this begin in the wiki. "Probably", "most likely", "this character acts like this so he/she must be like this". We have no evidence about that, but people keep on blathering and blathering about the subject. Some fans actually come here and insist that Hisoka is a pedophile, because "he likes Gon and Killua". Hisoka is more than just interested in them because "he is a pedophile". Togashi showed us more about Hisoka's character and it did not even incline towards pedophilia.

Bottom line is: stop assuming characters to be like this and then come to the wiki and argue about it. For all I know, the next argument we'll be having is whether Amane is cis or lesbian for Canary. I'm not here to argue, I'm here to discuss, and if I can educate people about real-world problems in the process, that would make me really happy.

If you know more about Kurapika than me, that's fine, but I've clearly been paying attention to the manga, or else I wouldn't be transcribing raws. Anyways, my point was that even before we saw him shirtless, we knew Kurapika was a guy.

And my point with Amane was that we don't need to know her sex to know that she's a girl and subsequently list her as gender: female and use feminine pronouns. I don't care if she's cis or trans!

There's assumptions and there's logical conclusions based on several, repeated, and clear information. The "Alluka is a girl!" scene is one of them, as is Kurt's "big brother will protect you!" scene.

Like I said, I'm absolutely fine with how Alluka's page is set up right now and I'm not complaining. Is it ok to still talk about Alluka's gender here and investigate some things? Because that's all we're doing at this point. Yes, you are here to argue. In fact, I'm not even sure wheather you care more about the actual topic itself, or just arguing about it.